The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. Fred Hugi is a man of the highest integrity and I hope that Dianes surviving two children finally found the love and stability they had been denied by their natural mother. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. Or that they are not even curious about it. They would have tried to reopen the case. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. We make them president!!!! Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. It was Judge Footes first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness. It's February 28, 2023, and Luke Schenn was just traded to the . In reply to Nick. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. is this a reason??? I will talk to Dianes brother. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now So Mark, where are you from? John Kitzhaber, Governor of Oregon Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. Its too late for me to call myself a murderer (when I am not) just to purchase my freedom. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. To Lisa Griggs If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. 4. Did u learn nothing?? She has come a long way. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? and so on. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. The poor jury went along and Jagger did not put much ofa defense anyway. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. They examined her clothes also. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. Every single one. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. I know several foster parents and social workers. Nearly every point you make here was addressed and disproved or not even allowed into evidence. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved. Is it too late to respond to this? If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. Conflict of interest on steroids!! There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. It was faulty. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Thank you Lise. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. And he grew up there. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. ), Interesting suggestion. $20.00 at Gamestop $37.01 at Walmart $59.99 at Best Buy. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. He failed. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? She even provided the police with her own sketch. Do not take this so personally. In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Danny was the product of an affair. I do not post rude comments. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. Halo Infinite. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. 3 yr. ago. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. She was not given one inch of presumption of innocence. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. And it is not like these two were white as snow. They were not truth seekers and enjoyed a nice burning at the stake instead. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. Ask them what they did to a good man. Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. Speculative. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. Makes major decisions easier because only one parent is legally responsible. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? Q. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. Mr. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. please express them and I will print them. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. The GSR? It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. Were they involved in the plot too?? But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Everything matters in a trial and investigation. If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. Makes no difference to me. There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. I actually do not know what really happened. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasn't ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. This happened in 1983, not 1893. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. Anyways. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. It does not get any bigger than this. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. 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